My Alsace Lorraine and German Ancestors

by Jessica
(Cumberland, MD, USA)

Hi everyone,

Ok, so I'm trying to research & have hit a wall! Supposedly this branch of my tree is from Germany & Alsace-Lorraine. I have a John Weber (1860-1947), his dad Karl Weber. Wife Barbara Superion (??)(1864-1939). I know in the 1880's John & Barbara immigrated to the US & raised their kids in Erie PA. I cannot find info on their parents & back. & I'm not 100% sure about Superion. Found several similar spellings! On a passport application, they said they wanted to visit family in Switzerland, France, Holland & Belgium....Help! & Thanks!

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How's Your Alsace Family Genealogy Going?
by: Suzele

Hi Jessica,

I understand what you're talking about! Do you know which towns or villages your Alsace ancestors come from?

Normally you can find what you need with this info (and an ability to read French or German handwriting from way back when).

Normally having family in Switzerland could be a sign that they were from southern Alsace, but no guarantees on that part.

Especially since they wanted to visit family in Holland and Belgium which is a good bit north of Alsace (4-5 hours on average).

Of course world wars will do that. Make you move around. And after World War Two, it was rough in Alsace (and many other places).

If you're still stuck, let me know.

If you still don't have any village or town names, you might stay stuck for a while. Sorry to say it, but...

I'd really love to know what other info you'd really love to know.

If the official documents situation is a dead end for now, what other questions do you have about your ancestors?

I study Alsace's history, its cultural traditions and beliefs (and a whole lot more).

And I'm working on some more material for the website. I'd love to make sure it's helpful to you (and really all of you who are a bit stuck in your genealogy research right now).

Hope all is well,
Suzele

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by: Anonymous

I believe Rheinfaltz??

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Hello I may be able to help
by: Anonymous

Hello,

I do not want to name myself but I may be related to the same family. I have also hit alot of walls. But I have found that this family goes by a Kinfolk name.

These are names that represent shared ancestors that were common in the days of Charlemagne. This would include names like Weber, Bieber, Beaver, Bever, Beauvoir, Kieffer, and many more.

I have tracked two family lineages to the Franks, I also found the Franks names alot of the places of Beauvoir into the Beauvoir name. My family seems to have landed in New York

I believe and moved into Iowa where I was born. I didn't really know my dad but I met someone from Indiana, who I have been talking to. I have been through many documents about these families.

~Thanks

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Hello, I may be of convenience
by: Burn Bever

Hello,

I have a similar situation, according to my family we used to have Records and ancestor notes claiming we came from a de Beauvoir family. It is unknown where our family originally landed, but it's said they fell near an American Church of the Bretheren group, where they ended up converting.

Our ancestors are from places like Iowa too, which like you, I was also born in. According to my Grandma even my greatgrandpa knew of the de Beauvoir ancestors. But, that changed long before my birth, where Biebers who are not related,ended up changing it. We had verified de Beauvoir records that matched correctly, and now with the Biebers, there are holes.

One of my ancestors is an Alvin Bever from Dallas County. Btw, regardless of what idiots say, our family were proven in this relation. Bever being similar to Beauvoir makes no excuse to say "mmmh to similar" and assume. Pardon my language but the word Assume makes an Ass out of u and me, hence the word.

Same name changes can happen it does more often than others think, names become irrelevant to some or problems occur, it happens. Problem with Bieber, it is not related to Beauvoir it isn't proven by true records, only a book that got half of history wrong. The problem with English "Bever" it's not a name in origin to English.

Let me explain in the Anglo-Saxon language. This word did not exist and any word that would have came from the Anglo. Saxon language would have been more of a modern name that was given to them from a whole separate family name. Meaning the name wouldn't have came from beaver to beaver.

It is impossible for that to be, so it would have been a family, for example. With the last name Anderson, that would have changed to beaver due to that being the only possibility of it coming from there in origin.

So whenever other fake researchers who have never done their research and have never looked through documents like I have that proved as I'm wrong due to the Norman conquest.

Families moved over, which is why that name has been popular in England as well as the French variation, which is a whole separate family that came from a branch of the Norman family that may have came from a whole separate French family.

Then the one that is actually based in France more oftenly. But what people don't understand about the name as well as that. It is a name given into by marriage. For example, if most people are related to a German family that had the name which is a very big possibility more than most people say because of the Luxembourg being the people who held that name title from marrying the original French family from Normandy.

Then we would get the scenario that it is widespread meaning a lot of these families got that name because they married into the family that gave them the name. I have done way more research on the name and on a lot more of the family and their genealogy connections, then half of the people who debate about the family have done themselves.

If you want to look into my sources, you can and what you will find is. Du Marc is related to Chastellux, Chastellux is related to Du roure, and Luxembourg, Luxembourg is related to De Beauvoir of Gurnsery Normandy. There are many other family names that have different nobility.

Origins and married this family, which gave them the name in front of their nobility origin. All of what I said is easily verifiable and backed up due to noble marriage.

So whenever everybody says what you can't just assume because the name could come from a whole. Different family in England that has a similar spelling to beaver.

Well, the beaven family. Which isn't even pronounced the exact same as beaver. Actually came from other names that are not related like Beverly. So when people say things like, well, you're just assuming. Names are similar. No, it's because the Anglo-Saxon language never had these in their language.

It wasn't a thing they had in origin that is more of a French or Russian or other ethnicity, like Germany, that would have had things like that. And so those are more of a possibility than England since the Anglo-Saxons did not pronounce anything with a V. Another thing to tackle is that most people use other genealogical websites that are wrong period.

For example, one of them being a crest website that gets a lot of families that I actually know about wrong sadly. It's crazy. This is the normal crest website. People talk about when it talks about belvior castle from England. Where?

It explains the name was given to english people through that and it was not. There is no document that proves this, nor is there any evidence. The evidence actually talks about a de tosny family.

There is actual proof on this where to the other claim has no proof at all, although the proof is in a story that was around documents of plays. It explains a person with the last name of Dougdale, who worked for a king and man.

Did this guy get bullied by the king? I will tell you how many times he's been mocked by this king for messing up family history in the Kingdom when it came to Norman people. Dougdale himself though. Got the beavers, right.

Well, sort of let me explain. At first, it explains in the document that he actually said that they came from english origin. Kind of like, how all these other people who claim they have real research are doing where he was unaware that he came over with the de tosny family.

This is also backed up by actual researchers who have actually made books on this topic. Trying to fight other people who are trying to claim that the name is in fact, english and that english people took upon it, which again has no evidence, nor does it hold any nor will it ever, which makes me really raged and heated about because I have done more research than most of these people who claim they. Know what they're doing. I have spent hours trying to refind the family tree of my ancestors with other people in my family all because cousins changed the last name because people are debating about this in topic when half of them are wrong.

Especially about my family who were not beavers. Hence that a name change spelling changed imto BEVER because they wanted to distinguish their name from the cousins who were Beavers/Biebers and were German. We call them the cousin family because they landed in very similar areas and have a very similar history, although they are not related at all by what it seems.

The reason why we call them cousins is pretty much because we lost our whole family history due to a bunch of people online. Who could just click a bunch of buttons type a lot of things and change a history. And this happened before I was born where my Grandma was in contact with some ancestors who actually knew about the family history, and what they originally were now, we're unaware of half of what's happened and The lady who was originally doing the research for us, which was my aunt, ended up dying of a liver disease.

Where she actually found a lot of documents from ships, that ended up coming here to the U.S. Where now I have a weird theory where I feel like someone is illegally deleting records. The reason why is cause I actually did see a separate family that was on the internet a while ago that was actually in the exact area.

Our ancestors claim to be from and surprisingly. Now it's almost like that family that I saw does not exist. It just isn't there. The thing ISIS all of the records too backed up. They were real people according to the records.

And for some reason, somebody which would have been illegal deleted them. This was before I was able to actually reach out to my family where I was doing.

Research in many different areas all at once. Because I heard that these families were in different areas all at once and they never had a German last name in the records that I found. And now I can only find the ones with the German last name, which is 99.9% likely not related at all.

I know this type of stuff happened before. I existed because the conspiracy that the German and French family were related ended up appearing in a French newspaper 1920.

We're in the actual Huguenot LA Grande. Which they claim the family is, the family is not in. There is no Bieber in any manual that I have ever found. And it may be that I looked at the wrong manual but I never saw anything of the sort.

All I found is websites that either agreed or debated this. But I would take my word over most of those websites and those people cause. Unlike most people I actually understand why names have changed and I understand if they had and if they were similar and what the circumstance is in whose name that is similar is not related.

I know all of this stuff already. Because I have done a lot more research than most of the people have. So my moral of the story is don't trust everything. You read online even if people are saying will I do research a lot?

Because most researchers don't know what they're talking about. Unless they study the genealogy themselves, which most of them don't.And the only ones who have were the ones who actually agree with me.

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